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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Creative Zen Vision W Review</title> <atom:link href="http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/</link> <description>Everyone can understand technology; sometimes it just takes a little translating.</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:16:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Douglas Moran</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2551</link> <dc:creator>Douglas Moran</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:40:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2551</guid> <description>And yes, in case you hadn&#039;t guessed, I&#039;ve done a wee bit of research in the area of video conversion tools.  And no, you don&#039;t want to get me started.  [laughter]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes, in case you hadn&#8217;t guessed, I&#8217;ve done a wee bit of research in the area of video conversion tools.  And no, you don&#8217;t want to get me started.  [laughter]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Douglas Moran</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2550</link> <dc:creator>Douglas Moran</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:25:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2550</guid> <description>Jason and Chrome:  You are both right in one respect; I should have been much clearer, and I apologize.  One *can* convert films using the DivX codec and view them on the Zen Vision.  Allow me to be more specific:
The Zen Vision W is not a &quot;DivX Certified&quot; device; that is, the good folks at www.divx.com have not given it their official imprintaur.  If one uses, the DivX Converter tool, which generates a file with the *.divx file extension (in other words, a divx container file), that file will *not* play on the Zen Vision W, and gives you an error message.  Based on my (ridiculously extensive) video conversion experience, my guess is that if you change the file extension to *.avi (an AVI container file), it probably *will* play on the Zen Vision.  I did not test that, however.
Now, if one uses a different tool that *uses* the DivX codec but creates an AVI file, you are fine.  So if you use Dr. DivX, or Lathe, or DVD Catalyst, or Pocket DVD Wizard, or some such, and that tool uses the DivX codec but doesn&#039;t create a file with the *.divx extension then yes, the Zen Vision W will play that file.  And my apologies to all for not being clear about that.
And Jason:  With all due respect, man, I spent two weeks testing.  I have a library of over 30 films, as well as a set of 5 test clips that I use at several different audio and video conversion bit rates.  I use multiple tools and codecs to run my conversions, and I do them on two different laptops for comparison purposes.  I used Dr. Divx, Dr. Divx 2.0, and DivX Converter.  I use conversion rates that range from 500kbps up to 1500kbps, and audio bit rates of 80kpbs to 120kbps.   While I didn&#039;t test every single variant I could think of (I have a day job, after all), I got enough dropped frames, blurred images, film catches, and other issues at the 900kbps mark in live action scenes for it to be annoying.  (The color blurring in &quot;Cowboy Bebop&quot; I found *particularly* annoying.)
Or to put it in its simplest terms:  The *very same sample clips* that played *fine* on the Cowon A2 and on my Tapwave Zodiac *did not* play well on the Zen Vision W.  And that was enough for me.
And let me add this:  I *really wanted* to like this device.  I really wanted to *a lot*.  Aside from the fact that I liked its controls a whole lot better than those of the Cowon, it has PIM support, and that&#039;s a *big deal* for me.  But I kept testing movies, and they kept not playing back to my satisfaction.  If the playback quality is fine for other folks, I have no problem with that.  But it wasn&#039;t fine for *me*.
But don&#039;t accuse me of insufficient testing.  Believe me, I banged on that baby plenty!
With regard to the music issues; I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right.  As I acknowledged, I didn&#039;t spend nearly as much time on the audio stuff as on the video stuff.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason and Chrome:  You are both right in one respect; I should have been much clearer, and I apologize.  One *can* convert films using the DivX codec and view them on the Zen Vision.  Allow me to be more specific:</p><p>The Zen Vision W is not a &#8220;DivX Certified&#8221; device; that is, the good folks at <a
href="http://www.divx.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.divx.com</a> have not given it their official imprintaur.  If one uses, the DivX Converter tool, which generates a file with the *.divx file extension (in other words, a divx container file), that file will *not* play on the Zen Vision W, and gives you an error message.  Based on my (ridiculously extensive) video conversion experience, my guess is that if you change the file extension to *.avi (an AVI container file), it probably *will* play on the Zen Vision.  I did not test that, however.</p><p>Now, if one uses a different tool that *uses* the DivX codec but creates an AVI file, you are fine.  So if you use Dr. DivX, or Lathe, or DVD Catalyst, or Pocket DVD Wizard, or some such, and that tool uses the DivX codec but doesn&#8217;t create a file with the *.divx extension then yes, the Zen Vision W will play that file.  And my apologies to all for not being clear about that.</p><p>And Jason:  With all due respect, man, I spent two weeks testing.  I have a library of over 30 films, as well as a set of 5 test clips that I use at several different audio and video conversion bit rates.  I use multiple tools and codecs to run my conversions, and I do them on two different laptops for comparison purposes.  I used Dr. Divx, Dr. Divx 2.0, and DivX Converter.  I use conversion rates that range from 500kbps up to 1500kbps, and audio bit rates of 80kpbs to 120kbps.   While I didn&#8217;t test every single variant I could think of (I have a day job, after all), I got enough dropped frames, blurred images, film catches, and other issues at the 900kbps mark in live action scenes for it to be annoying.  (The color blurring in &#8220;Cowboy Bebop&#8221; I found *particularly* annoying.)</p><p>Or to put it in its simplest terms:  The *very same sample clips* that played *fine* on the Cowon A2 and on my Tapwave Zodiac *did not* play well on the Zen Vision W.  And that was enough for me.</p><p>And let me add this:  I *really wanted* to like this device.  I really wanted to *a lot*.  Aside from the fact that I liked its controls a whole lot better than those of the Cowon, it has PIM support, and that&#8217;s a *big deal* for me.  But I kept testing movies, and they kept not playing back to my satisfaction.  If the playback quality is fine for other folks, I have no problem with that.  But it wasn&#8217;t fine for *me*.</p><p>But don&#8217;t accuse me of insufficient testing.  Believe me, I banged on that baby plenty!</p><p>With regard to the music issues; I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right.  As I acknowledged, I didn&#8217;t spend nearly as much time on the audio stuff as on the video stuff.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2547</link> <dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2547</guid> <description>I feel if you&#039;re going to review a product you should take more time than you obviously did, otherwise you just end up giving people misinformation, it&#039;s not really fair to the device. You saying it doesn&#039;t support Divx would turn a lot of people away from the product, but it&#039;s simply not true, it doesn&#039;t support some advanced features like GMC (which my DVD player with Divx playback doesn&#039;t even support), and it doesn&#039;t support the Divx 3 codec, which was actually just a hacked Microsoft codec. Videos encoded with Divx 4, 5, &amp; 6 can be played back on the Vision W, and I&#039;ve watched a number of videos encoded with these, and with the Xvid codec. In fact I&#039;ve encoded with Divx at higher bitrates than 1300kbps and noticed no viewing problems, so perhaps your problems are a result of your particular encoding method. Also, music is organized according to the ID3-tags, directory structure is irrelevant.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel if you&#8217;re going to review a product you should take more time than you obviously did, otherwise you just end up giving people misinformation, it&#8217;s not really fair to the device. You saying it doesn&#8217;t support Divx would turn a lot of people away from the product, but it&#8217;s simply not true, it doesn&#8217;t support some advanced features like GMC (which my DVD player with Divx playback doesn&#8217;t even support), and it doesn&#8217;t support the Divx 3 codec, which was actually just a hacked Microsoft codec. Videos encoded with Divx 4, 5, &amp; 6 can be played back on the Vision W, and I&#8217;ve watched a number of videos encoded with these, and with the Xvid codec. In fact I&#8217;ve encoded with Divx at higher bitrates than 1300kbps and noticed no viewing problems, so perhaps your problems are a result of your particular encoding method. Also, music is organized according to the ID3-tags, directory structure is irrelevant.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chrome_CW</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2545</link> <dc:creator>Chrome_CW</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:14:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2545</guid> <description>Douglas...I own a Creative Vison W - it most definitely supports DivX/XviD playback....not sure where you are getting your information from or if you are possibly having problems playing a file that you encoded - but Divx is definitely supported - if the file you have has AC3 audio it is possible that is your problem as the Vision W does not support that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas&#8230;I own a Creative Vison W &#8211; it most definitely supports DivX/XviD playback&#8230;.not sure where you are getting your information from or if you are possibly having problems playing a file that you encoded &#8211; but Divx is definitely supported &#8211; if the file you have has AC3 audio it is possible that is your problem as the Vision W does not support that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Douglas Moran</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2356</link> <dc:creator>Douglas Moran</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:01:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2356</guid> <description>AndySocial:  I didn&#039;t mean to be disparaging of Archos; I just meant to point out that you can&#039;t get &quot;under the hood&quot; of their implementation of Linux in any way.  It probably would have been more accurate of me to say &quot;closed,&quot; which kind of flies in the face of the whole idea of Linux, but there it is.  I understand why they do it that way, but it bugs me.  I asked, and you can&#039;t go tweaking their implementation.  So it&#039;s just as closed as Windows, alas.
With regard to DivX support (or lack thereof), I just wanted to be clear:  Creative does not state that they support DivX, and so I didn&#039;t want to give the impression that they lied or misled me in any way; that wouldn&#039;t be fair to Creative.  But I agree; lack of support for DivX is a negative, absolutely.
It&#039;s too bad, too; I really liked this device as a *gadget*.  Ah, well!  We&#039;ll see how the Archos is.  And the Apple iPhone.  I don&#039;t want to get my hopes up, but that device is looking pretty good, honestly.  If it only had an SD card slot, and a page-down button . . .</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AndySocial:  I didn&#8217;t mean to be disparaging of Archos; I just meant to point out that you can&#8217;t get &#8220;under the hood&#8221; of their implementation of Linux in any way.  It probably would have been more accurate of me to say &#8220;closed,&#8221; which kind of flies in the face of the whole idea of Linux, but there it is.  I understand why they do it that way, but it bugs me.  I asked, and you can&#8217;t go tweaking their implementation.  So it&#8217;s just as closed as Windows, alas.</p><p>With regard to DivX support (or lack thereof), I just wanted to be clear:  Creative does not state that they support DivX, and so I didn&#8217;t want to give the impression that they lied or misled me in any way; that wouldn&#8217;t be fair to Creative.  But I agree; lack of support for DivX is a negative, absolutely.</p><p>It&#8217;s too bad, too; I really liked this device as a *gadget*.  Ah, well!  We&#8217;ll see how the Archos is.  And the Apple iPhone.  I don&#8217;t want to get my hopes up, but that device is looking pretty good, honestly.  If it only had an SD card slot, and a page-down button . . .</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AndySocial</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2348</link> <dc:creator>AndySocial</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:58:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2348</guid> <description>Just a quick aside.  I find it amusing that you make a disparaging remark about Archos using a &quot;proprietary&quot; version of Linux (which is hard to envision), but you&#039;re thrilled that the Creative W uses a variant of Windows.  I&#039;m trying to understand how Windows is somehow less proprietary than open source GPL code.
That being said, Divx/Xvid support is absolutely essential in any PMP, so slamming it for that lack is not in any way a petty note.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick aside.  I find it amusing that you make a disparaging remark about Archos using a &#8220;proprietary&#8221; version of Linux (which is hard to envision), but you&#8217;re thrilled that the Creative W uses a variant of Windows.  I&#8217;m trying to understand how Windows is somehow less proprietary than open source GPL code.</p><p>That being said, Divx/Xvid support is absolutely essential in any PMP, so slamming it for that lack is not in any way a petty note.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ellen Beeman</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2344</link> <dc:creator>Ellen Beeman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 01:34:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2344</guid> <description>I have an Archos 500, one of their older models, and like it a lot for movie playback, even though their button UI is -horrifying-.  DivX support definitely matters.
---Ellen</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an Archos 500, one of their older models, and like it a lot for movie playback, even though their button UI is -horrifying-.  DivX support definitely matters.</p><p>&#8212;Ellen</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mitchell Oke</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2007/01/21/the-creative-zen-vision-w-review/#comment-2342</link> <dc:creator>Mitchell Oke</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:10:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=2062#comment-2342</guid> <description>For a player designed so clearly for video playback, it is totally unacceptable to not support DivX/XviD.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a player designed so clearly for video playback, it is totally unacceptable to not support DivX/XviD.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
