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> <channel><title>Comments on: The Clone Wars &#8211; The Real Deal vs. Psystar</title> <atom:link href="http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/</link> <description>Everyone can understand technology; sometimes it just takes a little translating.</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:47:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Joel Mclaughlin</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34093</link> <dc:creator>Joel Mclaughlin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:58:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/2008/05/06/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34093</guid> <description>Actually 5 years ago when I got my PowerBook, it was the cheapest notebook computer with firewire.  I compared it to the notebooks and in each case, the wintel solution cost more.  PLUS I can&#039;t believe that Compaq, HP, Dell and Gateway are still using dual core Pentiums vs the Core Duo or Core 2 Duo.  Sure, they are dual core machines, but they are just not the same as the COre 2 chipset.  Granted, they DO provide cheap machines and they are fine for what most people will buy them for.
One thing I can&#039;t believe is one podcast I listen to actually said he hated the screen and the keyboard on all Macs.  I have never heard someone say stuff that negative about a Apple product unless they were staunch open source or anti DRM guys.  I have always been impressed by the Apple Hardware.  It&#039;s built to take a beating plus Apple doesn&#039;t do asinine things like have a &quot;Consumer&quot; line and a &quot;Business&quot; line.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually 5 years ago when I got my PowerBook, it was the cheapest notebook computer with firewire.  I compared it to the notebooks and in each case, the wintel solution cost more.  PLUS I can&#8217;t believe that Compaq, HP, Dell and Gateway are still using dual core Pentiums vs the Core Duo or Core 2 Duo.  Sure, they are dual core machines, but they are just not the same as the COre 2 chipset.  Granted, they DO provide cheap machines and they are fine for what most people will buy them for.</p><p>One thing I can&#8217;t believe is one podcast I listen to actually said he hated the screen and the keyboard on all Macs.  I have never heard someone say stuff that negative about a Apple product unless they were staunch open source or anti DRM guys.  I have always been impressed by the Apple Hardware.  It&#8217;s built to take a beating plus Apple doesn&#8217;t do asinine things like have a &#8220;Consumer&#8221; line and a &#8220;Business&#8221; line.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Christopher Gavula</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34085</link> <dc:creator>Christopher Gavula</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:58:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/2008/05/06/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34085</guid> <description>You know, I read something recently (and I may have mentioned this before) that indicated that Macs really aren&#039;t all that much more.  I believe the average Apple desktop - for like configured equipment - was about 16% more and laptop was only 9% more.
I think the big difference is that Apple doesn&#039;t offer a $500 notebook, for example, so it looks like everything is much more expensive than it really is.  The mini is just fine when compared to similarly configured machines, but even the mini isn&#039;t really at the low-end of the device scale - pricewise or configuration-wise.
Personally, I think it would be bad for Apple to try to offer lower-end product - just like it was bad for Mercedes to think it would acquire Chrysler to gain low-end market share.  They have a reputation for solid product and they want to protect that.  Additionally, their marketshare continues to grow despite not having a truly low-end machine.
In the low end of the market you make less on the equipment and your support costs (and likelihood of requiring support) go up.  It can become like the guys who made widgets at a cost of $1 a piece, sold them for 99 cents each but planned to make up the difference in volume.  I&#039;m not sure those extra sales are worth it.  If I were Apple, I&#039;d just keep moving forward with their current rep as a premium player.
I also think that Apple is correct in resisting a clone market.  People think it&#039;s because Apple doesn&#039;t want to open things up, but I think it&#039;s really for the same reasons I mention above.  If you allow or even encourage a clone market openly, then you are also owning some of the support issues/costs.  I don&#039;t think that is in Apple&#039;s best interest or really anyone&#039;s interest.  You will trade stability for price.
There is a counter-argument states that the open-source nature of the underpinnings will allow for better support, but open-source projects only work well when there is strong support for the project (like Firefox or OpenOffice, or some of the bigger Linux offerings).  They work less well when the project is only a niche, like a Linux driver for a specific off-brand model of DVD player.  In that case, you tend to be reliant on the commercial market for your answers.  I&#039;m afraid this is more of a niche market and will suffer from support issues as people try to buy these boxes, leaving a bad taste that people will likely blame Apple for, because most people won&#039;t understand that it&#039;s not Apple&#039;s support issue.
So I really don&#039;t see the clone market as being a positive thing, lower prices or no.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I read something recently (and I may have mentioned this before) that indicated that Macs really aren&#8217;t all that much more.  I believe the average Apple desktop &#8211; for like configured equipment &#8211; was about 16% more and laptop was only 9% more.</p><p>I think the big difference is that Apple doesn&#8217;t offer a $500 notebook, for example, so it looks like everything is much more expensive than it really is.  The mini is just fine when compared to similarly configured machines, but even the mini isn&#8217;t really at the low-end of the device scale &#8211; pricewise or configuration-wise.</p><p>Personally, I think it would be bad for Apple to try to offer lower-end product &#8211; just like it was bad for Mercedes to think it would acquire Chrysler to gain low-end market share.  They have a reputation for solid product and they want to protect that.  Additionally, their marketshare continues to grow despite not having a truly low-end machine.</p><p>In the low end of the market you make less on the equipment and your support costs (and likelihood of requiring support) go up.  It can become like the guys who made widgets at a cost of $1 a piece, sold them for 99 cents each but planned to make up the difference in volume.  I&#8217;m not sure those extra sales are worth it.  If I were Apple, I&#8217;d just keep moving forward with their current rep as a premium player.</p><p>I also think that Apple is correct in resisting a clone market.  People think it&#8217;s because Apple doesn&#8217;t want to open things up, but I think it&#8217;s really for the same reasons I mention above.  If you allow or even encourage a clone market openly, then you are also owning some of the support issues/costs.  I don&#8217;t think that is in Apple&#8217;s best interest or really anyone&#8217;s interest.  You will trade stability for price.</p><p>There is a counter-argument states that the open-source nature of the underpinnings will allow for better support, but open-source projects only work well when there is strong support for the project (like Firefox or OpenOffice, or some of the bigger Linux offerings).  They work less well when the project is only a niche, like a Linux driver for a specific off-brand model of DVD player.  In that case, you tend to be reliant on the commercial market for your answers.  I&#8217;m afraid this is more of a niche market and will suffer from support issues as people try to buy these boxes, leaving a bad taste that people will likely blame Apple for, because most people won&#8217;t understand that it&#8217;s not Apple&#8217;s support issue.</p><p>So I really don&#8217;t see the clone market as being a positive thing, lower prices or no.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mitchell Oke</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34046</link> <dc:creator>Mitchell Oke</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:41:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/2008/05/06/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34046</guid> <description>Many of my friends have remarked at the price I paid for my MacBook Pro. &quot;Oh you could have got a much better machine is you hadn&#039;t bought a Maaaaaaaac&quot;.
Honestly, I am very pleased with my decision. I get a solid OS that crashes very infrequently, everything just works seemlessly together so I spend less time trying to fix problems, and I also get fantastic hardware that is uber-thin and looks amazing.
Might cost more than a similar Dell, but the Dell would be twice as thick and look like it belongs in a cubical.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of my friends have remarked at the price I paid for my MacBook Pro. &#8220;Oh you could have got a much better machine is you hadn&#8217;t bought a Maaaaaaaac&#8221;.</p><p>Honestly, I am very pleased with my decision. I get a solid OS that crashes very infrequently, everything just works seemlessly together so I spend less time trying to fix problems, and I also get fantastic hardware that is uber-thin and looks amazing.</p><p>Might cost more than a similar Dell, but the Dell would be twice as thick and look like it belongs in a cubical.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joel Mclaughlin</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34000</link> <dc:creator>Joel Mclaughlin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:06:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/2008/05/06/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-34000</guid> <description>One question I have....if they ar efor real, where are the review units?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question I have&#8230;.if they ar efor real, where are the review units?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wayne Schulz</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-33996</link> <dc:creator>Wayne Schulz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:27:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/2008/05/06/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-33996</guid> <description>Chris  I&#039;ve been following this whole Mac clone story (as has most of the web) and I&#039;m very concerned about whether this is even a legitimate company.
The old saying &quot;if it sounds too good...&quot; is repeatedly ringing in my head.
Until I see photos and a review up at a reputable web site - I&#039;m totally reserving any judgement on this at all..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris  I&#8217;ve been following this whole Mac clone story (as has most of the web) and I&#8217;m very concerned about whether this is even a legitimate company.</p><p>The old saying &#8220;if it sounds too good&#8230;&#8221; is repeatedly ringing in my head.</p><p>Until I see photos and a review up at a reputable web site &#8211; I&#8217;m totally reserving any judgement on this at all..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joel Mclaughlin</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2008/04/22/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-33942</link> <dc:creator>Joel Mclaughlin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:47:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/2008/05/06/the-clone-wars-the-real-deal-vs-psystar/#comment-33942</guid> <description>Well, I think Apple has been making alot of mistakes since switching to Intel.  The PowerPC platform deserved a price differential because it WAS more expensive than Intel.  Now they are trying to use the same ole pricing on Intel based machines and that doesn&#039;t wash anymore.  Also, how in the world would their current EULA stand up?  If they are worried about supporting it, they shouldn&#039;t be.  They didn&#039;t make the clone....Psystar did.  Ergo, why would I be calling Apple about it if I have an issue??
I am also really disappointed that the Air isn&#039;t a ultra cheap machine.  Apple needs a cheaper machine.  The Mac Mini ain&#039;t as cheap anymore when you compare it to the prices of machines like the gPC.  Sure, it&#039;s more machine than a gPC, but it&#039;s probably going to have a similar usage pattern.
I think Apple better come up with something in the ultra low cost realm quick as these machines are getting more capable and cheaper every day.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think Apple has been making alot of mistakes since switching to Intel.  The PowerPC platform deserved a price differential because it WAS more expensive than Intel.  Now they are trying to use the same ole pricing on Intel based machines and that doesn&#8217;t wash anymore.  Also, how in the world would their current EULA stand up?  If they are worried about supporting it, they shouldn&#8217;t be.  They didn&#8217;t make the clone&#8230;.Psystar did.  Ergo, why would I be calling Apple about it if I have an issue??</p><p>I am also really disappointed that the Air isn&#8217;t a ultra cheap machine.  Apple needs a cheaper machine.  The Mac Mini ain&#8217;t as cheap anymore when you compare it to the prices of machines like the gPC.  Sure, it&#8217;s more machine than a gPC, but it&#8217;s probably going to have a similar usage pattern.</p><p>I think Apple better come up with something in the ultra low cost realm quick as these machines are getting more capable and cheaper every day.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
