Comments on: The T-mobile G1: Could be the one to beat Apple http://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/ Everyone can understand technology; sometimes it just takes a little translating. Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: oops46http://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39871 oops46 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:24:05 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39871 To quote: "It just works." Somehow in the cobwebs cluttering my mind, I remember this slogan in regard to Microsoft Windows advertising. While I am all for the open standards and truly hope the G1 does succeed, open standards to me means lots of problems; with memory freezes etc. If it does work, we will all benefit but for the present, I love the Iphone, Mobile Me, push email and having lots of memory for movies and the music.. They had lots of problems getting it working but for my purposes it works well. Plus, I kind of like Itunes To quote: “It just works.”
Somehow in the cobwebs cluttering my mind, I remember this slogan in regard to Microsoft Windows advertising. While I am all for the open standards and truly hope the G1 does succeed, open standards to me means lots of problems; with memory freezes etc.
If it does work, we will all benefit but for the present, I love the Iphone, Mobile Me, push email and having lots of memory for movies and the music.. They had lots of problems getting it working but for my purposes it works well. Plus, I kind of like Itunes

]]> By: Joel McLaughlinhttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39870 Joel McLaughlin Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:53:40 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39870 NOT proprietary either....can accept mini USB as well: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/09/android_and_tmobile_g1s_five_most_obnoxious_flaws-2.html NOT proprietary either….can accept mini USB as well:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/09/android_and_tmobile_g1s_five_most_obnoxious_flaws-2.html

]]> By: karrockhttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39869 karrock Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:27:55 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39869 G1 is not micro-USB equipped -- it's a proprietary HTC ExtUSB connection. http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/23/confirmed-t-mobile-g1-has-no-3-5mm-headphone-jack/ G1 is not micro-USB equipped — it’s a proprietary HTC ExtUSB connection.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/23/confirmed-t-mobile-g1-has-no-3-5mm-headphone-jack/

]]> By: Joel McLaughlinhttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39864 Joel McLaughlin Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:27:10 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39864 What is standard in media handling? Maybe iTunes I guess however iTunes itself is very non standard. In reality, no standard has been set by anyone. There's no organization responsible for standards in media be it audio or video. The closest thing is the Motion Picture Experts Group. Even then, there's many others out there. Apple's iTunes is merely the defacto standard just because the iPod is so popular. Defacto standards do not equate true standards. Open source is NOT just for the über techie. After all, we use WordPress right here on Gear Diary. It is OPEN SOURCE! Do you use a Tivo? Yep....there's open source there. DNS?? EVERYONE uses DNS and it's probably some variant of BIND which is Open Source. Mac's have alot of Open Source running OS X. People use it everyday. Open Source ISN'T for just the über techie. We all use it. Only people don't care. The reason they don't care or don't know is BECAUSE it just works. Open Source IS good for the masses.....the masses just don't know what they want or don't even know what source code is. People just want to be able to load the music they want on ANY device and have it play anywhere. They want to put any app they can imagine or purchase on a device. The ONLY way that this can truely be done is with a Open device. What is standard in media handling? Maybe iTunes I guess however iTunes itself is very non standard. In reality, no standard has been set by anyone. There’s no organization responsible for standards in media be it audio or video. The closest thing is the Motion Picture Experts Group. Even then, there’s many others out there. Apple’s iTunes is merely the defacto standard just because the iPod is so popular. Defacto standards do not equate true standards.

Open source is NOT just for the über techie. After all, we use WordPress right here on Gear Diary. It is OPEN SOURCE! Do you use a Tivo? Yep….there’s open source there. DNS?? EVERYONE uses DNS and it’s probably some variant of BIND which is Open Source. Mac’s have alot of Open Source running OS X. People use it everyday. Open Source ISN’T for just the über techie. We all use it. Only people don’t care. The reason they don’t care or don’t know is BECAUSE it just works.

Open Source IS good for the masses…..the masses just don’t know what they want or don’t even know what source code is. People just want to be able to load the music they want on ANY device and have it play anywhere. They want to put any app they can imagine or purchase on a device. The ONLY way that this can truely be done is with a Open device.

]]> By: Christopher Sperahttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39862 Christopher Spera Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:40:45 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39862 this article is written from a pro-open source perspective, and while very good and to an extent accurate, isn't quite correct. Most open source initiatives are NOT good for the masses because they don't know how to deal with non-standard processes and systems. They aren't going to know where to get the tools to create the things they need. I think Wayne said it best... With all due respect, I think open source is for the über techie, and not for the masses. I don't see this making much of an impact unless and until standardized apps and tools are created for it and are accepted by the user base as a defacto app/tool for - music, for - app installation, for - synchronization, etc. BTW, what does this device sync with anyway?? Will it do Exchange out of the box? I must have missed that of it will... this article is written from a pro-open source perspective, and while very good and to an extent accurate, isn’t quite correct. Most open source initiatives are NOT good for the masses because they don’t know how to deal with non-standard processes and systems. They aren’t going to know where to get the tools to create the things they need. I think Wayne said it best…

With all due respect, I think open source is for the über techie, and not for the masses. I don’t see this making much of an impact unless and until standardized apps and tools are created for it and are accepted by the user base as a defacto app/tool for – music, for – app installation, for – synchronization, etc.

BTW, what does this device sync with anyway?? Will it do Exchange out of the box? I must have missed that of it will…

]]> By: tamarackshttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39856 tamaracks Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:40:58 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39856 As I said, I can see why some people don't want to use iTunes, and I agree that there are a lot of people frustrated by aspects of the iPhone who may jump ship for Android. I just don't believe that the iPhone is going to be left hurting for users. I am looking forward to seeing how Android develops, and I hope to see more good things from both platforms. As I said, I can see why some people don’t want to use iTunes, and I agree that there are a lot of people frustrated by aspects of the iPhone who may jump ship for Android. I just don’t believe that the iPhone is going to be left hurting for users.

I am looking forward to seeing how Android develops, and I hope to see more good things from both platforms.

]]> By: doogaldhttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39855 doogald Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:22:29 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39855 Competition is good; I wish Android well. At this point I might want an Android phone over the frustrating WM phone that I have. I'd certainly rather see Android succeed in the market than fail, if only to push Apple, Microsoft, RIM and Symbian to make sure they get better themselves. If you do not like iTunes DRM, burn the titles to a CD and then re-rip them. A pain in the neck, but then your music is free again. Most people I talk to are not really that techy, they pretty much get iTunes pretty well, and most don't really care about the DRM, since they never have any problems with it. And as much as I try to turn people on to podcasts, they really don't listen to podcasts, either. Competition is good; I wish Android well. At this point I might want an Android phone over the frustrating WM phone that I have. I’d certainly rather see Android succeed in the market than fail, if only to push Apple, Microsoft, RIM and Symbian to make sure they get better themselves.

If you do not like iTunes DRM, burn the titles to a CD and then re-rip them. A pain in the neck, but then your music is free again. Most people I talk to are not really that techy, they pretty much get iTunes pretty well, and most don’t really care about the DRM, since they never have any problems with it. And as much as I try to turn people on to podcasts, they really don’t listen to podcasts, either.

]]> By: Wayne Schulzhttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39853 Wayne Schulz Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:55:23 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39853 With all due respect - if someone can't plug an ipod/iphone into iTunes to transfer music - they're probably not a good candidate for what I anticipate is going to be an unstructured procedure to load apps and music to a G1. Color me an oddball, but I kind of like iTunes. I like having one centralized place to download software (instead of having to juggle multiple sites with their bizarre "re-download" fees). I like that iTunes backs my whole iPhone up and if I have a problem the damn thing automatically restores. I like that there is at least some structure and discipline to the apps and not the crash happy wild wild west that for large measure permeates smartphone platforms like Palm where anyone and anybody can develop. To completely ignore the huge development effort on the iPhone platform is to whistle past the graveyard. I have probably a dozen apps that either have no WM, Palm or Blackberry counterpart (or if there is one the other platforms seem as if they're dumbed down versions). That development and distribution infrastructure is ultimately going the iPhone's secret weapon -- those not wise enough to figure out how to load apps or songs probably aren't smartphone candidates. Just my .02 With all due respect – if someone can’t plug an ipod/iphone into iTunes to transfer music – they’re probably not a good candidate for what I anticipate is going to be an unstructured procedure to load apps and music to a G1.

Color me an oddball, but I kind of like iTunes. I like having one centralized place to download software (instead of having to juggle multiple sites with their bizarre “re-download” fees). I like that iTunes backs my whole iPhone up and if I have a problem the damn thing automatically restores. I like that there is at least some structure and discipline to the apps and not the crash happy wild wild west that for large measure permeates smartphone platforms like Palm where anyone and anybody can develop.

To completely ignore the huge development effort on the iPhone platform is to whistle past the graveyard.

I have probably a dozen apps that either have no WM, Palm or Blackberry counterpart (or if there is one the other platforms seem as if they’re dumbed down versions). That development and distribution infrastructure is ultimately going the iPhone’s secret weapon — those not wise enough to figure out how to load apps or songs probably aren’t smartphone candidates.

Just my .02

]]> By: Joel McLaughlinhttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39852 Joel McLaughlin Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:28:34 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39852 tamarack: Your right.....however the most common thing I hear from people who buy iPods is how do you get music on it? Alot of people have no idea that they can do what you say. They may not even know all they have to do is stick a cd in and have iTunes rip it. They see the music store and then buy. Also, Apple's App Store won't let apps like podcatchers in because of the podcatching feature of iTunes. They want to force you to use is whether you want to or not. You have in your hand a computer with phone abilities and they won't let you use it like a true computer. I agree that the G1 and the iPhone will appeal to different people, however, alot of the people who get fed up with the lock downs Apple puts them under will race to the G1. One thing that hasn't been made clear yet is if the G1 is locked down to T-Mobile. If that's the case, then it's only slightly hobbled. Unlike the iPhone in which any software update could possibly brick your phone if you jailbreaked it. tamarack: Your right…..however the most common thing I hear from people who buy iPods is how do you get music on it? Alot of people have no idea that they can do what you say. They may not even know all they have to do is stick a cd in and have iTunes rip it. They see the music store and then buy.

Also, Apple’s App Store won’t let apps like podcatchers in because of the podcatching feature of iTunes. They want to force you to use is whether you want to or not. You have in your hand a computer with phone abilities and they won’t let you use it like a true computer.

I agree that the G1 and the iPhone will appeal to different people, however, alot of the people who get fed up with the lock downs Apple puts them under will race to the G1.

One thing that hasn’t been made clear yet is if the G1 is locked down to T-Mobile. If that’s the case, then it’s only slightly hobbled. Unlike the iPhone in which any software update could possibly brick your phone if you jailbreaked it.

]]> By: tamarackshttp://www.geardiary.com/2008/09/23/the-t-mobile-g1-could-be-the-one-to-beat-apple/#comment-39851 tamaracks Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:14:09 +0000 http://www.geardiary.com/?p=14114#comment-39851 While I think Android has a lot going for it, I don't think either G1 or the iPhone are going to push each other off the stage. I'm not convinced that things will "just work" with Android. They don't always just work on the iPhone, and I think it has more of a chance of seamlessness. I can understand people not wanting to be tied to iTunes, although I don't mind. It's not for everybody, but then what is? I think equating DRM'd tracks from iTunes Store with iTunes software itself is a bit disingenuous, but it is true that you are limited to syncing your iPhone with iTunes. However, you can get your music from anywhere. UnDRM'd iTunes Plus, Amazon MP3, ripped CDs. The App Store, on the other hand, is definitely becoming a black mark on Apple's record. I recently bought an iPhone, and I am really enjoying it. I do hope that Apple doesn't stray too far down the path of darkness with the App Store. Android has promise, and I look forward to seeing more of it. So far, it looks to me like the iPhone is more polished, but Android is more flexible, and of course open. All in all, I see it as no bad thing to have more choices in this type of phone, and hopefully the competition will be good for all concerned. Android seems to aim at a lot of the chinks in the iPhone's armor, but I think they will both still appeal to different people. While I think Android has a lot going for it, I don’t think either G1 or the iPhone are going to push each other off the stage. I’m not convinced that things will “just work” with Android. They don’t always just work on the iPhone, and I think it has more of a chance of seamlessness.

I can understand people not wanting to be tied to iTunes, although I don’t mind. It’s not for everybody, but then what is? I think equating DRM’d tracks from iTunes Store with iTunes software itself is a bit disingenuous, but it is true that you are limited to syncing your iPhone with iTunes. However, you can get your music from anywhere. UnDRM’d iTunes Plus, Amazon MP3, ripped CDs. The App Store, on the other hand, is definitely becoming a black mark on Apple’s record.

I recently bought an iPhone, and I am really enjoying it. I do hope that Apple doesn’t stray too far down the path of darkness with the App Store. Android has promise, and I look forward to seeing more of it. So far, it looks to me like the iPhone is more polished, but Android is more flexible, and of course open.

All in all, I see it as no bad thing to have more choices in this type of phone, and hopefully the competition will be good for all concerned. Android seems to aim at a lot of the chinks in the iPhone’s armor, but I think they will both still appeal to different people.

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