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> <channel><title>Comments on: Could Palm&#8217;s openness to hacking webOS bring about (another) downfall of their platform?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/</link> <description>Everyone can understand technology; sometimes it just takes a little translating.</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:34:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Michael Anderson</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/#comment-46185</link> <dc:creator>Michael Anderson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:14:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-46185</guid> <description>I think the problem is that &#039;hack&#039; often means &#039;exploit undocumented interfaces to exposure and capture unintended functionality&#039;.  THAT is when things get unstable.
As to whether or not that matters depends on how much the community depends on functionality provided by things that habe teh potential to be broken by simple OS upgrades.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is that &#8216;hack&#8217; often means &#8216;exploit undocumented interfaces to exposure and capture unintended functionality&#8217;.  THAT is when things get unstable.</p><p>As to whether or not that matters depends on how much the community depends on functionality provided by things that habe teh potential to be broken by simple OS upgrades.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mikekarr</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/#comment-46181</link> <dc:creator>mikekarr</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:49:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-46181</guid> <description>If by &quot;hack&quot; you mean &quot;learn how to program for&quot; then I&#039;m all for hacking the Pre. It&#039;s the lack of transparency in an OS that causes the many of the issues present in applications.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If by &#8220;hack&#8221; you mean &#8220;learn how to program for&#8221; then I&#8217;m all for hacking the Pre. It&#8217;s the lack of transparency in an OS that causes the many of the issues present in applications.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam B</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/#comment-57373</link> <dc:creator>Adam B</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-57373</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;RT @iphonedev07: Could Palm&#039;s openness to hacking webOS bring about another downfall? http://bit.ly/12W2kH&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span
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class="topsy_trackback_content">RT @iphonedev07: Could Palm&#8217;s openness to hacking webOS bring about another downfall? <a
href="http://bit.ly/12W2kH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/12W2kH</a></span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: aaronfg</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/#comment-46169</link> <dc:creator>aaronfg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-46169</guid> <description>You were turned off by a platform because you installed some poorly written software?  I don&#039;t understand that.
I&#039;ve had many an app crash my Windows or Mac at home.  I&#039;m not about to ditch those OSes because some apps weren&#039;t tested properly.
The Pre has an app store. Most people will do all of their app shopping there and never know about external sources,hacks, etc.  You want bleeding edge stuff, you know you have to deal with possible instability.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were turned off by a platform because you installed some poorly written software?  I don&#8217;t understand that.</p><p>I&#8217;ve had many an app crash my Windows or Mac at home.  I&#8217;m not about to ditch those OSes because some apps weren&#8217;t tested properly.</p><p>The Pre has an app store. Most people will do all of their app shopping there and never know about external sources,hacks, etc.  You want bleeding edge stuff, you know you have to deal with possible instability.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: iphone dev</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/#comment-57374</link> <dc:creator>iphone dev</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:06:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-57374</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Could Palm&#039;s openness to hacking webOS bring about (another ... http://bit.ly/12W2kH&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span
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class="topsy_trackback_content">Could Palm&#39;s openness to hacking webOS bring about (another &#8230; <a
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-46137</guid> <description>I think you&#039;re way off base here, for a couple of reasons.
1)  The hackability of the Pre is a strength, rather than a weakness.  Developer interest is only attained by letting developers hack the device to the greatest extent possible.
2)  More powerful apps are developed when you let the developers deeper into the OS.  One of the strengths of PalmOS was that a developer could get into things like the calendar and the file system functions.
3)  The Apple App Store has the approval process (mostly) to prevent applications which would hurt AT&amp;T or Apple&#039;s income -- not to improve stability.  Case in point:  Copy and paste.  Apple specifically crippled the SDK rules to prevent people from writing apps that do background processing or interact with other apps. Why?  Not for stability reasons, but so that &lt;i&gt;Apple&lt;/i&gt; could then implement such solutions, and sell them to consumers (in the case of iPod Touch users, at least).
4)  The Pre is based on Linux, so Palm doesn&#039;t have much of a choice in the matter.  They&#039;ve got to release the code.  Once they&#039;ve done that, the hacking is inevitable.  Better to bow to it.
And lastly...
5)  This gives Palm &lt;i&gt;thousands&lt;/i&gt; of people to develop apps for the Pre, right out of the gate, not to mention all the Linux apps that will certainly be ported to the Pre.
Are there security concerns?  Of course.  A person has to be careful what they install on their system, whether it&#039;s a desktop or a phone.  But in this case, the rewards almost certainly outweigh the risks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re way off base here, for a couple of reasons.</p><p>1)  The hackability of the Pre is a strength, rather than a weakness.  Developer interest is only attained by letting developers hack the device to the greatest extent possible.</p><p>2)  More powerful apps are developed when you let the developers deeper into the OS.  One of the strengths of PalmOS was that a developer could get into things like the calendar and the file system functions.</p><p>3)  The Apple App Store has the approval process (mostly) to prevent applications which would hurt AT&amp;T or Apple&#8217;s income &#8212; not to improve stability.  Case in point:  Copy and paste.  Apple specifically crippled the SDK rules to prevent people from writing apps that do background processing or interact with other apps. Why?  Not for stability reasons, but so that <i>Apple</i> could then implement such solutions, and sell them to consumers (in the case of iPod Touch users, at least).</p><p>4)  The Pre is based on Linux, so Palm doesn&#8217;t have much of a choice in the matter.  They&#8217;ve got to release the code.  Once they&#8217;ve done that, the hacking is inevitable.  Better to bow to it.</p><p>And lastly&#8230;</p><p>5)  This gives Palm <i>thousands</i> of people to develop apps for the Pre, right out of the gate, not to mention all the Linux apps that will certainly be ported to the Pre.</p><p>Are there security concerns?  Of course.  A person has to be careful what they install on their system, whether it&#8217;s a desktop or a phone.  But in this case, the rewards almost certainly outweigh the risks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Michaels</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/#comment-57375</link> <dc:creator>Steve Michaels</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:10:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-57375</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Could Palm&#039;s openness to hacking webOS bring about (another ...: In a blog post dated June 19 and aimed at t.. http://bit.ly/17Yf09&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.geardiary.com/?p=34519#comment-46131</guid> <description>On the other hand, Palm was quick and decisive in smacking down the tethering hacks, so they are drawing a bright line between &quot;tweaking&quot; and &quot;hacking&quot; at least right now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, Palm was quick and decisive in smacking down the tethering hacks, so they are drawing a bright line between &#8220;tweaking&#8221; and &#8220;hacking&#8221; at least right now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: BB Developer</title><link>http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/could-palms-openness-to-hacking-webos-bring-about-another-downfall-of-their-platform/#comment-57376</link> <dc:creator>BB Developer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:31:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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